On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:21:55PM -0400, Mike Bilow wrote:
> We work with Java technology very extensively, especially Enterprise Java
> Beans. Your real problem here is Sun, not the Linux distributors, because
> the Sun licenses pretty much prevent redistribution of their tools. The
> JRE itself is redistributable, but not the JDK.
>
> Because of the Sun license, Linux distributors are mostly prevented from
> putting the JDK under their often quite sophisticated package management
> systems, which would allow easy maintenance. Debian has a partial
> solution where there are dummy packages ("java-virtual-machine-dummy" and
> "java-compiler-dummy") which the user can install, essentially notifying
> the package management system that the user is taking responsibility for
> providing the JRE and JDK. This makes it possible to have Debian packages
> such as the Apache JServ engine or Apache Cocoon supplied as packages.
Well, it would seem to me that there is no reason (legaly) that debian cannot
provide an install-wrapper, similar to what there is(or was, not sure) for
netscape, and realaudio. That or provide a partial source package(.diff and .dsc),
and have the user aquire the origional file(which is most likely binary?) from
sun and build a proper package.
>
> However, there is no expectation that a package configured in this way
> would actually work unless the user had done a whole bunch of things
> manually first. Since it is obviously impossible for the package
> maintainer to know how the user has installed software which may not even
> have existed when the package was released, the burden of integration
> necessarily falls upon the user. One could certainly assert that this is
> a bad idea, but it is the way Sun chooses to do it.
>
> -- Mike
>
>
> On 2000-05-23 at 14:22 +0200, Alessandro Bottoni wrote:
>
> > I'm sure that all of you know very well the Apache group (
> > http://www.apache.org ) and their set of Java/XML tools for the web
> > publishing ( http://java.apache.org , http://jakarta.apache.org ,
> > http://xml.apache.org ).
> * * *
> > So I wonder: are you evaluating the possibility of making a
> > professional-level "distribution" of this toolset, aimed to the WWW
> > specialists? If yes, when it will be available? If no, why?
> >
> > The XML/Java Tools developed by the Apache people are quite mature and could
> > be used for production servers but, unfortunatley, they are quite hard (or,
> > at least, extremely tedious) to install and configure. This keeps many
> > webmaster from using them.
>
>
>
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