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Re: non-DFSG section and CD distributers



> > >- We are always right and we must be right and others
> > >  must do things the way we have "demonstrated" it.
> > 
> > 	Others can do as they damn well please. We, however, shall do
> >  as the DFSG states we shall act. Have you ever seen us tell
> >  miscrosoft how to act? 
> 
> No, but I've seen Bruce telling Intel how to act and in which form to
> present us with bugfix. 

No, kidding!  And what was the kernel-makers response?  I think Linus had hi 
_own_ patch out within a day or so.  Allthough I wouldn't mind telling 
Microsoft what to do for awhile...

> > > - If you do not play by our rules then we dont play
> > 
> > 	Right. This is called ethics.
> 
> Or rudeness.

Or arrogance, cockiness, conceit. etc, etc...

> > >- We are unable to cooperate with others since we will
> > >  reject all compromise.
> > 
> > 	Yes, we refuse to compromise our values just to play lackey to
> >  other interests. We always co-operate with free software developers. 
> 
> And WE will decide who's writing free software.

> > > - We will insist on our words and the meaning we give them.
> > >  We have are the right (tm) software worldview.
> > 
> > 	Yes, we are unequivocal, and we mean what we say. We even
> >  define the terms we use so there is no room for misunderstanding or
> >  newspeak.
> 
> Yeah-yeah. With Social Contract full of statements which potentialy can
> be treated any way you like. For pointing to them I was awarded a title of
> "Talmudic Interpreter" by out project leader.
> 
> > >- We do not bother with inferior low lifes who have
> > >  not seen the (GPL) life yet and are refusing to understand
> > >  that we mean GPL when we say free.
> > 
> > 	You are the one making the value judgement. Is internet
> >  explorer free? People say that it is, since there is no up-front cost
> >  to it. Is Nestscape almost free, since it only costs $50? We define
> >  what we mean when we talk about free software. What's so hard to
> >  understand? 
> 
> Exactly, but even WE agree on different levels of freeness:
> we have non-us, non-free (which is still free in some sense - can be
> distributed on our ftp site, etc.). Why not be clear on what we mean
> each time?
> 
> > >- We believe one day all the world will only use GPL software...
> > 
> > 	Hope. Not believe, Hope. Imagine ...
> 
> This would be a nightmare we had in Russia with everything and everybody
> "free" ...  Brrr... 
> 
> > > In short: You better have nothing to do with us.
> > 
> > 	..if you are a nasty non-free software write ;-). Stronder
> >  than I'd put it, but we need *someone* to prmote the concept of free
> >  software. We are it, I guess.
> 
> Free for the sake of free? Or free for the sake of someting else?
> I stand for the second one. 

myself, too.  And come on.  "*someone* to promote the concept of free 
software".  By the name of Linus, that is almost insulting to the 
Linux/GNU/etc community as a whole...  Party on Debian, savior to the 
world.....

> > > Excellent PR.
> > 
> > 	I agree.
> 
> I don't.

neither do I (obviously :-)

			Paul J Thompson


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