Quoting Tomas Pospisek (2014-12-01 17:57:12) > Am 29.11.2014 um 22:01 schrieb Philipp Kern: >> On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote: >>> Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are >>> going to have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being >>> switched to systemd, then we should take appropriate steps to >>> address that, even if that means unfreezing the installer. >> >> Sure. But where is the evidence for that? Is there a bug that has >> been agreed upon to be RC? > > Whoever upgrades their lxc guests without taking further informed > action (such as switching back to sysv), will not be able to start > their LXC VM at the next reboot( #766233 [1]). > > This is currently classified as "a bug which has a major effect on the > usability of a package, without rendering it completely unusable to > everyone." and thus not RC, so if being RC is currently the > precondition to fix stuff in jessie, then you are right. > > Unless at least respective documentation gets included in the release > notes (#762194 [2]) I think there will be some future unhappiness. > > At this moment it's a trap waiting to be walked into. > *t > > [1] http://bugs.debian.org/766233 > [2] https://bugs.debian.org/762194 What does "evidence" even mean here? I expect systemd itself to be in good shape, not buggy. But I do suspect that Debian-with-systemd is in lesser good shape, especially on existing systems some of which were creating by standards now discouraged (e.g. / and /usr on separate partitions). By switching init system we are "shaking the tree", revealing bugs in other code which lay dormant till now. Molly-guard seems to now fail on systems with separate / and /usr due to /usr being unmounted before molly-guard is called (bug#771572) - smells like broken init system interactions, but likely an old bug in Molly-guard just not revealed until exposed to a modern init system. Should that bug be RC? How to collect potential evidence, while playing nice with systemd maintainers, release team and others who are less worried? - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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