On 01/05/2016 01:34 AM, Marc Haber wrote: > On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:21:06 +0100, Iustin Pop <iustin@debian.org> > wrote: >> On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote: >>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) wrote: >>>> Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then >>>> you are automatically disqualified from taking part in this discussion >>>> because you are not understanding the basic underlying issues. >>> >>> As friendly as always. >> >> Friendly? Maybe not. But correct? Yes. > > Being right and unfriendly drives friends and users away. This > attitude is doing harm to Debian. Marco started this thread because he wanted to discuss a specific proposal - merging /bin, /lib and /sbin into /usr. He presupposed that people already knew that mounting /usr from / is broken. That assumption was apparently wrong, because the entire thread derailed into a discussion about that. Now you could certainly argue that the arguments that as to why mounting /usr from / being broken have not been made in enough detail so that not everybody was on the same page when the discussion started - and that people proposing things should take that into consideration. But _after_ this thread, where lots of people have patiently tried to explain the issues again and again, and even tried to find ways of constructively coming to a compromise - don't you think that repeating the same talking points again in this very same thread instead of actually responding to the issues presented, don't you think that that is far more harmful to Debian than a single comment borne out of frustration? Because the lack of actual responses to arguments and the apparent lack of interest in a constructive dialog gives the impression (whether it's true or not is irrelevant here) that some people participating in these discussions aren't honest actors, and that loss of trust is to me far more harmful to any community than somebody venting a bit of frustration. Regards, Christian
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