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Re: Software in main that is throughly useless without non-free software



Hi,
>>"James" == James Troup <james@nocrew.org> writes:

 James> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@debian.org> writes:
 >> Hi,
 >> >>"James" == James Troup <james@nocrew.org> writes:
 >> 
 >> >> Server != library. There is no linking.  There is no requirement to use
 >> >> it with a non-free server.
 >> 
 James> Hello?  No requirement?  What, pray tell, does one do with TiK if one
 James> doesn't connect to a server (non-free)?
 >> 
 >> Theoretically, one does not provode the software to do
 >> _anything_. You may look at it. You may feel inspired to write a free
 >> server. You may take pleasure in the number of packages you have
 >> installed. 

 James> Then, _why_ do we have contrib in the first place?

        I am surprised you are asking this question.

        Repeat after me, please. L I N K E R.  L i b r a r y. S h a r e d
 l i b r a r y (I hope I am not going too fast here).

        If I can't get a software to compile, or install, without
 requiring non-free components on my system, it goes in contrib. The
 desired functionality is to look at the out put of diagnostic tools
 so I can look at how the high level protocols work. 

        
 James> If the software doesn't have to be functional/useful/whatever,
 James> why don't we just abandon contrib and stick all the free
 James> software which depends on non-free software to be in main?
 James> After all, you can look at it.  You can feel inspired to write
 James> a free replacement for the non-free part.  You can take
 James> pleasure in the number of packages you have installed.


        L I B R A R Y.    C O D E        S P A C E.


 >> Do we have the right to deprive users of choices just because
 >> we see no reason to do stuff? Sounds a trifle draconian.

 James> `Deprive users of choices'?  Come again?  We're talking about
 James> putting something in contrib rather than main, not banning the
 James> program, hunting down the author and gutting him with a spoon.


        contrib is not part of Debian. You are depriving me of
  free software by shoving it out of Debian, just cause *YOU* do not
  see what good it is. 

        Me thinks you exceed your auhtority.

 James> I'd say the necessity to connect to the server before one
 James> can do what the majority of users would do with TiK is a
 James> requirement.
 >> 
 >> Their choice.

 James> No, this is the point, it's not their choice.  A user has no
 James> choice but to use a non-free server.  Or do sweet FA with the
 James> software worth talking about.  I didn't think Debian was in
 James> the business of promoting non-free software?

        We are not. We just distribute free software, which depends on
 no non free component on my machine to install or run. I am not in
 the business of policing the world. 

        This software requires no non free component on my box. Desist
 from throwing it out of Debian.

        manoj

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