Quoting Steve Langasek (2021-04-13 22:17:16) > I broadly agree with your framing of this, Sam, with one particular point of > disagreement. > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 01:17:30PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > 2) If your statements (even outside of Debian) commit you to a path that > > denies dignity, it's entirely reasonable for us to talk to you about > > whether you'll be able to act in accordance with the CoC and diversity > > statement. > > Please convince us that you will be able to treat everyone in Debian > > with dignity consistent with how we view dignity; convince us that your > > actions in Debian will create a welcoming community and treat all our > > members with respect. > > If you can answer that question, then we should hold you to that > > answer. If your answer is good, I don't think statements outside of > > Debian should get in the way of your participation beyond raising the > > discussion of how you will meet our community standards within Debian. > > I do think if you affiliate yourself with an extreme ideology in your > > statements outside Debian, it's reasonable for us to be highly skeptical > > and to ask you to show us how it's going to work. > > > I understand some people in the project disagree with me and would like > > to kick people out for their statements outside of Debian. > > That's just further than I can go right now. > > If one has made statements outside of Debian demonstrating that they hold to > an ideology that denies the dignity of other members of the project, unless > those statements have been *recanted*, the existence of those statements has > a chilling effect on working with others within the project *per se*. It is > not enough to ask that someone *pretend* to respect other members of the > project while working within the project, if their outside behavior shows > that they don't actually respect those other members of the project. > > If a member of the Debian Project were known to have sexually > assaulted someone, this would be a concern for Debian being a safe > environment. It wouldn't matter that the assault happened outside the > context of Debian work, or that this individual had no opportunity to > assault people inside of Debian. > > The same applies to other, "lesser" behaviors that invalidate the > innate dignity of other members of the project. A committment to keep > one's mouth shut in a Debian context doesn't remove awareness of the > broader context. I understand how the above can make sense for a community. It is however not how our current Code of Conduct is constructed, and consequently not a description of how *our* community works but only personal oppinion of yours. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private
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