On 2015-09-01 at 07:38, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2015-08-31 at 10:49, Christian Seiler wrote: >> >>> On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > > [...] > >> The Subject line is an overstatement, yes, but it's not an >> entirely baseless one. Consider: > > [...] > >> * Therefore, the only way to avoid the friction which arises from >> that interaction and its undesirable results is to either not use >> su or not use systemd. (And not using systemd is an increasingly >> pushing-against-the-current proposition. It's possible, but it's >> becoming less and less the default.) > > Just a question: have you ever considered seriously *doing* anything > about that? > > I ask because I'd like myself and I'd like to get an idea whether > there's enough community for that. No flamewars, no mud-slinging, > just *doing*. I've considered it, but - to borrow a phrase from a fragment of discussion I took part in with Russ Allbery once - I didn't, and don't, have the spare cycles to do much about it myself. I was planning to watch the various attempts at alternatives and forks which people were starting (such as uselessd, already mentioned here on the list), and investigate them more deeply once I was distanced enough from the original arguments that I had stress-level depth to spare for it. So far that hasn't happened, though, and apparently at least some of these projects have already been abandoned... -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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