Re: 8 -> 9 update changing things
On Tuesday 11 January 2022 11:20:22 am Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > I've run nothing but linux since 1999, starting with Slackware 4.0, and upgrading to newer versions from time to time. Early on I had no sound card in the machine that I was using, and did not implement a GUI to start with either. Adding those manually was a real interesting exercise, one that I'm happy to not have to repeat with newer hardware and software. Debian came a little later, only in the past few years, and in many respects I'm still getting to know it.
> >
> > I still would like to know why the one instance of pulseaudio works and the other one doesn't. And why some things seem to be included in what gets started up that I don't see any need for -- things like exim, bluetooth stuff (there is _no_ bluetooth hardware on this machine), and some other stuff. Any recommendations as to where I might poke at this to clean things up would be appreciated also.
> >
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> Exim: because "something" needs to deliver mail locally for cron jobs etc.
> Maybe not the best - others remove exim and install another MTA - but its
> a start.
I don't see the need for this. Deliver mail locally where? And to who?
> "Remove stuff" - start with a bare install of Debian text mode - standard
> packages only - then remove the stuff you want to. Don't be surprised if
> there may be a metapackage or two which appears to remove more than you
> think.
I've been surprised at that more than once already. I suggest to synaptic that I might want to remove something, and it comes back with a *huge* list of stuff that's going to be removed, if I do. I can't quite make sense out of that.
> The idea of a distribution is to make it relatively easy to install a
> subset of common packages that people want: that doesn't mean that everybody
> gets exactly what they want first time, but Debian's fairly flexible to
> allow you to change elements.
Still working on that...
> If you think that the distribution is entirely wrong - that's a different
> matter, I think.
Not necessarily wrong, but definitely different. I like the management of dependencies, one of the reasons I chose it. Some of the other stuff I'm not so sure about, though.
> If you started with Slackware 4.0 and that was your first
> Linux, then you may well find Debian different enough that it's bothersome
> because it "isn't Slackware" - but there's any amount of individual
> customisation you can do.
Oh, it's different all right. Bothersome? Sometimes. I've been dealing with it for some years now, and haven't given up on it yet.
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