On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 08:29:42PM +0100, Marco Möller wrote:
On 22.01.22 15:24, songbird wrote:
Thomas Schmitt wrote:
...
When this topic came up i googled around for learning about the actual
conflict.
This mail by Norbert Preining
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html
describes his view on his demotion from Debian Developer to Debian
Maintainer by the Debian Account Mangers (DAM) initiated by the
Anti Harassment team (AH, now Community team).
His mail quotes some of their mails. The follow-ups contain replies by
the other side of this conflict.
I think the further deterioration of his relation with Debian stems from
there, but i did not explore 900 matches of
https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search?P=Norbert+Preining&DEFAULTOP=or&B=Gdebian-project&SORT=&HITSPERPAGE=10
Have a nice day :)
excellent reply and pretty much my own feelings on the matter
too. :)
if people want to keep trolling on the matter it's all fine with
me but it doubtful it will shed any more light in relation to how
much heat it will give off for not much gain.
songbird
Asking for transparency to sound like trolling wasn't my intention. I am
sorry if I wasn't able to find the correct wording for keeping these to
things distinguishable.
Being a grateful user of Debian, and being in my circle of influence a
strong advocate of the Debian project, and also of the KDE Plasma desktop
environment as available in Debian, I do not feel it to be, lets say,
insolent, if interested in community affairs. Actually, I feel it desirable
to stay well informed for reinforcing advocacy, and asking for transparency
is to me a coherent step.
I feel that a concise statement from Debian insiders would gain a lot to not
provoke avoidable discussions and would right away defeat heat given off
obstructively.
As Thomas pointed out, there are hundreds of posts from years old
discussions which appear to be the prelude to the current situation. Some of
these public discussions have been quite controversial, partly also
questioning if community processes are always taking place sufficiently
transparent. Currently I find only a public statement from one party. This
could harm the Debian project. Some concise statement from somebody in the
Debian project with insights into the issue could prevent Debian from bad
repute by declassifying which are the positions of the present disagreement.
Best wishes,
Marco
On behalf of DAM - the Debian Account Managers - the brief statement follows:
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Norbert's status as Debian Developer has been officially withdrawn after
repeated violations of the Debian Code of Conduct. An appeal process was also
initiated and has concluded. It upheld the withdrawal of the Debian Developer
status.
That withdrawal does not prevent him from making contributions to the Debian
Project. However, it's entirely understandable that he might choose to leave
the community instead. That is a decision we must respect, and I'd ask you to
do so as well.
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With every good wish,
Andrew Cater