El 30/03/21 a las 10:25, Milan Kupcevic escribió: > On 3/30/21 10:10 AM, Zlatan Todoric wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > > > On 3/30/21 14:15, Phil Morrell wrote: > >>> Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project is unable to > >>> collaborate both with the FSF and any other organisation in which > >>> Richard > >>> Stallman has a leading position. > >> Hi Santiago, > >> > >> I know this is more of a question about the original FSFE statement with > >> this phrasing, but since you're amending it anyway I was wondering if > >> you could expand upon the scope of this collaboration? preferably in the > >> amendment text, but I understand if a list reply is more suitable. > >> > >> I'm not aware of any project level (i.e. funding, hardware or emails) > >> interaction with the FSF, given the minor disagreement over the non-free > >> archive. What about the GNU project? Are you asking DDs to only > >> communicate and submit patches in a personal capacity? "unable to > >> collaborate" implies there was collaboration before, so what exactly > >> would the Debian project stop doing? > > > > Good question, we could probably amend that part with: > > > > "Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project discourages > > collaboration both with the FSF and any other organisation in which > > Richard Stallman has a leading position." > > > > > > I would support this amendment. ... For the matter of consistency, this is the full amended amendment: Choice X: Debian encourages working with groups that foster diversity and equality === Begin text === Under section 4.1.5 of the constitution, the Developers make the following statement: Debian’s statement on Richard Stallman rejoining the FSF board We at Debian are profoundly disappointed to hear of the re-election of Richard Stallman to a leadership position at the Free Software Foundation, after a series of serious accusations of misconduct led to his resignation as president and board member of the FSF in 2019. One crucial factor in making our community more inclusive is to recognise and reflect when other people are harmed by our actions and consider this feedback in future actions. Unfortunately, the way Richard Stallman announced his return to the board lacks any acknowledgement of this kind of thought process. We are deeply disappointed that the FSF board elected him as a board member again, despite no discernible steps were taken by him to be accountable for, much less make amends for, his past actions or those who have been harmed by them. Finally, we are also disturbed by the secretive process of his re-election, and how it was belatedly conveyed [0] to FSF’s staff and supporters. We believe this step and how it was communicated sends a wrong and hurtful message and harms the future of the Free Software movement. The goal of the software freedom movement is to empower all people to control technology and thereby create a better society for everyone. Free Software is meant to serve everyone regardless of their age, ability or disability, gender identity, sex, ethnicity, nationality, religion or sexual orientation. This requires an inclusive and diverse environment that welcomes all contributors equally. Debian realises that we and the Free Software movement still have to work hard to be in that place where everyone feels safe and respected to participate in it in order to fulfil the movement's mission. Therefore, in the current situation, the Debian Project discourages collaborating both with the FSF and any other organisation in which Richard Stallman has a leading position. Instead, we will continue looking forward to work with groups and individuals who foster diversity and equality in the Free Software movement in order to achieve our joint goal of empowering all users to control technology. [0] https://status.fsf.org/notice/3796703 === End text === Zlatan & Santiago
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