Greetings: If you'd like a pcap file showing the client side of this bug, just holler. The big picture of it in action is at: https://www.artsackett.com/apt_fail.png The wireshark window is showing apt's nausea -- in the whole .pcap file there's the usual drop scenario: three requests thirty seconds apart, each with scads of TCP retransmits and then FIN/ACK. -- Art Sackett http://www.artsackett.com/