This recent flamewar has told me one thing: that trying to follow an argument through 600 emails from dozens of people each saying about two paragraphs is basically impossible. Would it be possible for some people to actually write out some *reasoning* and put it on a website somewhere so I (and others) can actually follow it. -- Martijn van Oosterhout <kleptog@cupid.suninternet.com> http://cupid.suninternet.com/~kleptog/