Re: RH and GNOME
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On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Enrique Zanardi wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 23, 1998 at 01:57:42AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Hi,
> > >>"Petra," == Petra, Kevin J Poorman <ewigin@SoftHome.net> writes:
> >
> > Petra,> we have to maintain a user base greater than 'us' (meaning
> > Petra,> developers) in order to survive,
> >
> > And I think that user base has never been in jeapoardy,
> > really. After all, IMHO, this is the best darned distribution out
> > there. I think there are enough people out there who feel the same
> > for us not to be running in fear of the sky falling.
>
> Perhaps we have a loyal user base, but I think the percentage
> (percentage, not number) of Linux users that use Debian is shrinking.
> Our long delay in releasing Debian 2.0 has a lot to do with it.
> Luckily we are releasing tonight...
exactly. if we have 20000 users outside the devloper base, but the rest of
the linux world has 200,000 users.... we are effectivly dead
>
> > And I see no evidence that we are not working really haed to
> > resolve bugs in the software. I fail to see what you wish to
> > accomplish by this statement: if indeed we were ignoring hiccups in
> > our distribution, you would have a point; right now, this comes close
> > to mere complaining, and is not really constructive.
>
> We as a group are working hard in some areas, but not so hard in others.
> Examples: the consistent keyboard config project, the apt project, the
> Debian documentation project. Those are very important projects for our
> users but few developers work on them (the ones who do are producing
> really good stuff, but I'm sure they would thank a bit more help).
but they don't activly ask for help ... ?
>
> > Petra,> We should put away the long held bias agianst X and other
> > Petra,> Gui's and develop a Gui OPTION for an Instalation, (posibly
> > Petra,> based on ggi, or maybe wxwindows (I think thats it's
> > Petra,> name).
> >
> > Why do you think a X based system is better? That would
> > immediately abandon people who do not run X. It would make
> > adminstering a workstation harder. It would restrict what one can do
> > to whatever the GUI programmer has provided buttons for.
>
> I plan to work on graphics installation for slink _without_ abandoning
> our text-only users. The major problem is not keeping a text-mode option,
> is developing a graphics one that fits on our boot floppies.
check out ggi, mgr, and w. mgr and w are 2 color windowing systems that
are rather small and almost hardware independent.... Ie: almost every card
will run 640x480 BW.
>
> > I think that would actually be a step back/
>
> Of course, Linux is all about freedom. Freedom to run graphics or text-mode
> is part of it.
>
> > Petra,> We should improve the error hadleing of the debian
> > Petra,> install program/script. Ie: fix it so errors are displayed in
> > Petra,> a window, instead of the background... thereby helping you
> > Petra,> read the message.
>
> I guess you are talking about the boot floppies. Of course we should
> improve, and it's already on my TODO list. (Remember, first we build a
> working system, then we improve its look).
are there any docs on how the install program (dinstall) works? ... I
would like to help, but not until I know what I'm talking about... in
regards to how EXACTLY dinstall works.
>
> > Petra,> We should develop a system of testing
> >
<<SNIP>>
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Particle man, Particle man
Doing the things a Particle can
Whats he like? Its not important
Particle man is he a dot, or is he a speck
When He's underwater does he get wet, or does the water get him instead?
- -Particle Man, by They Might Be Giants.
- -K
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