Re: Firmware GR result - what happens next?
On Wed, Oct 05, 2022 at 10:11:27PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 08:21:31PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 11:08:47AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>> >On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 03:53:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> >> On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 04:43:47PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> >> > What's the plan for upgraded systems with an existing /etc/apt/sources.list.
>> >> > Will the new n-f-f section added on upgrades automatically(if non-free was
>> >> > enabled before)?
>> >>
>> >> So this is the one bit that I don't think we currently have a good
>> >> answer for. We've never had a specific script to run on upgrades (like
>> >> Ubuntu do), so this kind of potentially breaking change doesn't really
>> >> have an obvious place to be fixed.
>> >
>> >Is there a reason to not continue to make the packages available in non-free?
>> >I don't see a reason to force any change on existing systems.
>>
>> Two things:
>>
>> 1. I'm worried what bugs we might expose by having packages be in two
>> components at once.
>> 2. I really don't like the idea of leaving two different
>> configurations in the wild; it'll confuse people and is more
>> likely to cause issues in the future IMHO.
>>
>> Plus, as Shengjing Zhu points out: we already expect people to manage
>> the sources.list anyway on upgrades.
>>
>I think in the absence of a release upgrade script (which I very much
>doubt will happen, and be tested, and we can rely will be used, for
>bookworm), Michael's suggestion seems like a reasonable way forward. I
>imagine we'll need to patch dak to allow that, but it seems like it
>should be tractable?
I'm also worried what effect this will have on other tools that have
to grok the archive (mirror tools, debian-cd, etc.). I'm not going to
try and veto having things in more than one component, but (ugh!) I
really think it's ugly. Actually, I think I'd much prefer Santiago's
idea:
> Couldn't we handle this via transitional firware* non-free packages,
> that depend on bookworm non-free-firmware packages?
We'd need to add some transitional binary packages for the small
number of n-f-f source packages. That way people would get errors from
apt if they don't read our warnings and update. Maybe this is a way
forward?
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