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Re: [nathan@dnase.hpw.pri.bms.com (Nathan O. Siemers)] Humble Request Re: New release over due




Thanks for the response.  

I'm not sure about the actual reasons for potato's delays, really just
guessing, plus noting discussion of at least a few large-scale package
reorgs in the last six months, and people trying to track down the
bunch of bugs that came with the changes :)

Potato is the first time I haven't jumped the gun and gone to unstable
months before release.  Old an lazy?

take care

nathan



Seth R Arnold <sarnold@willamette.edu> writes:

> I am not sure that potato got pushed back due to trying to do too much -- I
> think it got pushed back because the boot floppies aren't ready. From slink
> to potato involves moving to kernel 2.2 (2.4 will be out soon, and potato
> will look antiquated once again..) and incremental upgrades to the little
> bits.
> 
> I am not sure it was trying to do too much; 2.2 needed to happen, and the
> bootfloppies just don' work on all systems. I would love to help the
> bootfloppies group, but I just don't have the time amidst my programming
> labs.. hehe. :)
> 
> I am not sure if I agree with you or disagree with you. I moved to potato
> from slink, and felt very good about it. The closest my system came to being
> unstable was a few days when netscape really sucked. Since then, and I have
> kept up-to-date usually every day or two, my system has been fairly stable.
> I would consider running unstable on a production server; it seems that
> nice. :)
> 
> Have fun :)
> 
> On Sat, Dec 04, 1999 at 06:21:08PM -0500, Nathan O. Siemers wrote:
> > 
> > Chris Waters <xtifr@dsp.net> writes:
> > 
> > > Newest features and stablity are usually incompatible goals.  Also,
> > > most businesses find upgrades both expensive and time-consuming.  A
> > > release a year is FAR TOO OFTEN from one perspective, and nowhere near
> > > often enough from another.  Where to find middle ground?
> > > 
> > > For everyone whining that Debian doesn't release often enough, there
> > > are three people switching their businesses to Debian because it's
> > > solid and reliable and stable and doesn't change all the time, unlike
> > > most other distros.  I think we're doing ok.
> > 
> > 	I agree in principle with some of the above.  Debian systems
> > 	are stable as we all know. However, releasing more frequent
> > 	updates with more modest agendas does not force any system
> > 	administrator to upgrade more often - it only adds flexibility
> > 	for them to add new features when necessary.  Also, the less
> > 	you change at once in the overall debian architecture
> > 	(changing package structures, package methodology, etc), the
> > 	easier debugging the organic whole will be.
> > 
> > 	My original point was that potato has gotten delayed beyond
> > 	it's (my?) anticipated release because developers tried to do
> > 	*too much* in a single release.  It was a call to modesty, not
> > 	a call from a feature hog.  My job involves running a
> > 	computational infrastructure group within a fortune 50
> > 	company.  We have around 60 linux systems here, including two
> > 	compute farms.  Where is my middle ground? I cannot be on the
> > 	bleeding edge, but slink is looking *very* old at the moment.
> > 	Our group is research oriented, so we are less conservative
> > 	than many, but I do represent enterprise computing to some
> > 	extent :)
> > 	
> > 	Someday these at work machines will be running debian
> > 	gnu/linux, like my 3 systems at home.
> > 
> > 	nathan
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > If you really need the latest and greatest, use potato now; we all do.
> > > (Every Debian developer is pretty much forced to run unstable, which
> > > ensures a certain level of stability.)
> > 
> > 
> > 
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