Re: An 'ae' testimony
Hi,
>>"Craig" == Craig Sanders <cas@taz.net.au> writes:
Craig> ae is an adequate minimal no-frills, no-features text editor.
Bingo. That is what we absolutely need -- the rest of the
features are what you just said -- frills.
Craig> it's better than cat. it's even better than pico (which isn't
Craig> hard). it's no substitute for vi.
Opinions. Anything, IMHO, is better than vi ;-)
>> > being restricted to a primitive editor after you have become
>> > proficient with vi is akin to re-learning how to talk after having a
>> > stroke..
>>
>> Ahem. vi non-primitive heh-heh-heh.
Craig> yes, vi IS non-primitive. do not mock what you fail to understand.
Oh, I understand vi. I have been using it for 12 years now. I
just find it incredibly primitive. We do seem to be trading opinions
in this thread, so I just added mine. Or is it that only some people
can flaunt their opinions, and dissenters can't?
>> Are vi users less capable, or more inflexible, than users of better
>> editors? I think you are doing vi users a dissservice, labeling them
>> so incapable and unadapting.
Craig> no, vi users are not less capable or more inflexible (and there are
Craig> no better editors -- emacs is not a text editor, it's a programmable
Craig> editing environment. if you like that kind of thing then more power to
Craig> you...but emacs is also no substitute for vi).
Craig> i thought i explained it well enough. vi is the sort of tool that when
Craig> you get good at it becomes like an extension of your thoughts - you
Craig> don't have to consciously think about HOW to do something, you just
Craig> think about WHAT you want to do and it happens.
Yes. And in a full fledged system you should probably have
access to this paragon of productivity. However, we are talking about
impaired systems, where everyone has to settle for less.
Craig> this doesn't mean that vi users are less flexible or less
Craig> capable.
I seem to only hear them complaining. I used occams razor to
decide what the reason could be.
Craig> it means that trying to use some other less capable editor is like
Craig> trying to edit with one hand tied behind your back and three fingers of
Craig> your remaining hand chopped off. you can do so much more with vi that
Craig> anything less is a major handicap.
The same could be said of XEmacs. Unfortunately, this is an
impaired system we are talking about.
Craig> i fail to see any further point in this thread. it's gone on way too
Craig> long already. the fact is that vi is a basic unix tool which should
Craig> be available....not providing it on the rescue disk when we can do so
Craig> would be absurdly laughable if it weren't so outrageously blinkered and
Craig> pedestrian.
I see.
>> Anyway, every one knows that vi is primitive ;-)
Craig> i expected better of you than pointless cheap shots like this. guess i
Craig> was mistaken.
I see that your cool has not been the sole victim of this
thread. Your sense of humour has died too. (You do know what a smiley
means, don't you?)
manoj
who has not had a good editor war in years
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